I very recently had a “discussion” with two conservatives concerning their support of Texas Governor, Rick Perry. I wouldn’t quite call it a discussion, as much as I would say that I made some very good points, and the other two guys largely rambled and managed to call me a Liberal. Hardly the case.

Before I get started with this little back and forth, I would like to say something about conservatives. I know full well you’re not all idiots and that there is just a large faction of you that seems to run loose and control the conservative agenda. I know many conservatives that are good respectable people that have much respect for the right of the individual, its just a shame that there aren’t more of them.

I began by mentioning on a local politicians Facebook status update that I hoped he didn’t hold to the same politics as Rick Perry. Of course soon after, there would be a Perry supporter along.

Todd: Tex, I hope you do hold to the same politics Rick Perry does. All these boneheads out here that think the “other” person running on the republican ticket is a conservative. HA!

So it begins by this guy believing I’m a supporter of Hutchinson, which is far from the case.

Me: I wouldn’t waste my vote on Rick Perry or Kay Bailey Hutchinson. Hutchinson is a hack from DC that has no business being a governor. Perry, damn, don’t get me started about Perry. From his messing with the highway system and trying to enslave our transportation to foreign companies while displacing residents for his greed, to poor border security, no support for medical marijuana legalization, and saying that he supports a school voucher system, but then does absolutely nothing about it. Those are just a few of the issues. Rick Perry is wanting a third term when he hasn’t even produced in his first two and a half terms.

It also seems that he has put a few idiots in charge of our education system now as well. They want to take Neil Armstrong out of our history books. Do you know how outrageous that is? They also are wanting to bring more religion into public schools. Separation of church and state is the only way to ensure that religion is not infringed or inflicted upon.

I must have struck a nerve with this next guy, because he went into rant mode immediately. Didn’t address any of my points.

Bruce: There is no Separation of Church and State in the U.S. Constitution. The words do not exist there. It is a 20th Century creation of the Supreme Court and the ACLU and athiests trying to rid the country of Christians. 9 out of 10 jobs in the country were created in Texas last year and we have a $9 Billion surplus while other big states are bankrupt. More Fortune 500 companies are now in TX than any other state. I’m voting for Perry. It is the liberals who are trying to take any mention of Christianity out of history books and only mention Muslims and Hindus. Nice try but the facts do not bear out your ramblings.

So now I’m the one that is rambling, according to this guy. I decided to take a somewhat nice approach with my next reply.

All of my points are facts, ignore them if you wish to to not see anything accomplished in Texas and want to blindly vote for Perry. I’m sorry to hear that you agree with them removing Neil Armstrong from the history books.

I don’t dispute Governor Perry’s fiscal and business track record. They are fairly clean and its easy to see that Texas has … Read Morethe best economy out of the entire US. Notice I took no dispute with the governor on this matter.

Whether the US Constitution mentioned anything or not is irrelevant, as we are dealing with a state issue here. The separation of church and state is a good idea on behalf of everyone. I don’t know what religion you are sir, but I am sure that you would be upset if another religion were to be forced upon you, I would expect no one to want another’s religion forced upon them. The separation of church and state guarantees that you have the right to practice your religion, and not have the public school teach your children a religion that you do not agree with.

I never heard back from this guy, which is a shame because I was interested in seeing if he was able to wise up at all. Likely not, but hey, there’s always a chance. The first guy did come back to say a few more things though.

Todd: I agree with you Bruce. Obviously Stephen is a liberal, as he is doing what ALL the rest of the mindless sheep do…Focusing on one point (Neil Armstrong) and not addressing the bigger picture. As a proud American, I follow what our founding fathers believed. They believed in God and amended the Constitution to state: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Does it state there shall be a separation of Church and State? NO! Congress cannot declare a state sponsored religion as England did. Just to show what a lib you are, Stephen, you stated the US Constitution was irrelevant. Are you that stupid?

Alright, now this guy has come back to pick up the rambling where the other left off. I didn’t keep my cool too long on this one. I knew I was really going to go nowhere with these people. They are deluded and have already firmly committed themselves to a stance that couldn’t be changed by any fact. So I fired back.

Me: I see you didn’t take the time to fully read anything I said, or address any of my legitimate points. You’re just talking heads that are going to mindlessly support someone that hasn’t accomplished anything for our state. Your ramblings make a sane person’s head spin.

Its apparent you aren’t interested in discussing real politics here and are so hard headed you can’t concede of anything, even when the evidence stares you in the face.

If you took the time to check, btw. You would notice I’m not a liberal, and never have been a supporter of liberal ideology. I used to be a Republican, but I was able to see the light. I’m a Libertarian, and don’t be surprised when the Libertarian Party of Texas sweeps over once easily held Republican seats in the future while Republicans wallow in dated ideas and practices.

Yeah, I pitched for the Libertarian Party there, even though I am not an actual paid member of it. Its true you know, the Republicans are driving their politics so far away from the mainstream that they are eventually going to give Libertarians a good shot at their holdings of power. The Libertarian Party of Texas only needs a little work before it becomes very viable. I guess they’re just too egotistical and blind to see this though. His reply?

Todd: Yes, Stephen, I read your info. Do you know what the Libertarian Party stands for? Obviously not! Fiscally conservative, Socially liberal. Yes, LIBERAL. Bruce did address your comments WITH FACTS. You are the one that ignored the facts. Fact is…Perry did make a mistake with the Trans Texas Corridor. His concept started out to be a good one, but it snowballed with the bureaucracy. When it finally got out of hand and he was listening to his supporters, he quickly reversed it and killed it. Every Governor we’ve had has stayed in the walls of the ivory tower. It is when one gets out and listens to the people that they are effective.

Whoa, now I’m a Liberal because I point out facts about Perry’s follies and lack of accomplishments as governor. I highly doubt he read any of my readily available profile information and like many others, just continued with his rant in ignorance. What I really find funny here though is Todd’s attempt to make a bold faced lie and misrepresentation about the Libertarian Party, just to make me look bad.

Do you know what the Libertarian Party stands for? Obviously not! Fiscally conservative, Socially liberal. Yes, LIBERAL.

So he has taken the LPT slogan and has edited it to suit his own needs. The actual slogan says, “Fically Conservative, Socially Tolerant.” I’ll let my next and final reply say the rest.

Me: Bruce addressed none of my facts, none at all. You addressed none of them either. I understand fully what the Libertarians stand for. Fiscal Responsibility, Socially TOLERANT. Says nothing about being liberal there. If you think giving a person the right to do as they please so long as they are harming no one else is wrong, then you are not a supporter of freedom and deserve none yourself.

Perry has made many mistakes, its good to see you have admitted one of them. Lets hear the rest now.

If you haven’t figured it out by now, I’m just wasting my time with these people. After my last reply though, I haven’t heard back from either of them. It wasn’t a very long “discussion”, but I felt that it adequately showed the ignorance of many conservatives. Close-minded, hateful people that desire freedom for themselves and no one else. If you cannot grant another person the right to do as they choose so long as they harm no other, then you do not deserve the right either. At least the guy was able to admit one fault with Perry, lets hope he comes to his senses and realizes the others as well. I highly doubt it though.

As it stands right now, I have not thrown my support behind a candidate. I definitely do know that I won’t be supporting Governor Perry. If you’re a fellow Texan, I hope you consider someone other than Governor Perry as well. He has been an inefficient governor in many areas, and keeping a good economy isn’t enough to ask for a third term. Our border issues are mounting, we have one of the most lacking education systems in the US, the highway system isn’t doing well, and as I’m sure many homeowners know, property taxes have steadily been on the rise. How free are we when we can’t even outright own our own land without having to pay the government for the priviledge of keeping it?

Those are only a few of the issues that we face. Governor Perry refuses to even consider that legalizing marijuana would be a boon to Texans. It would help us fight the drug cartels, decrease our prison population, and add a thriving new sector to our economy. He talks a big game about not letting the federal government push us around, but has he delivered? He seems to talk a lot of big game, but if you look back on his two and a half terms, you’ll see that he hasn’t accomplished much, especially in the way of social issues. He only garnered 39% of the electoral vote in the 2006 election, not even a clear majority.

Governor Perry is stuck in the past and his services in Texas are no longer needed.

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