Comments on: There’s idiots in all circles http://brokenspectrum.com/2009/11/25/theres-idiots-in-all-circles/ Advancing the cause of truth and liberty daily Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:16:51 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ElectroPig http://brokenspectrum.com/2009/11/25/theres-idiots-in-all-circles/comment-page-1/#comment-18199 ElectroPig Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:43:45 +0000 http://brokenspectrum.com/?p=1224#comment-18199 Well....I've taken a long, hard look at it from as many perspectives as I've been able to talk to, and my summary is this: There are three main groups, all professing to want to see cannabis re-legalized. 1) The farmers & industrial hemp crowd. 2) The medical users. 3) The casual, occasional or "recreational" users. * *I lump the religious (sacramental) users and the "civil libertarians" in with group 3, mainly for ease of argument. Each group attacks the other two groups, as neither of the other two groups care about their perspective. Each "third" fights the remaining "two thirds" and wonders why they're not succeeding. Each "third" KNOWS that their position is the ONLY valid perspective on the issue. Each "third" actually IS 100% correct in what they say, the vast majority of the time...if only they took a few minutes to realize that they're still fighting TWO THIRDS, and they're NOT going to win against those odds. EVER! I've put it in more detail at http://Overgrow.ning.com (feel free to poke about the site!) but the plain and simple truth is that as long as all of the people who PROFESS to wish to see cannabis re-legalized, as long as they honestly believe that "their Cannabis Sativa L." is different than "the other guy's Cannabis Sativa L.", then, to be blunt, it's no damned wonder that they're not getting anywhere. Question: After 80 years of this single-minded, egocentric "I'm right you're wrong" mentality NOT WORKING AT ALL, why is it that nothing changes? If it's true that you're all right--AND IT IS--then how does fighting against the other 2/3 of the people who want the EXACT SAME THING as you, in any way benefit the greater cause? But hey...that's just my "CrAzY" way of looking at things... If you want to see it taxed, you do NOT want to see it legalized. You want to MAKE MONEY from it, and if you'll pardon my brevity, you're a goddamned hypocrite and deserve to be staked over a fire ant mound in the desert and have your balls doused with a gallon of honey. Maybe a few shakes of pure maple syrup for good measure. If you want to see it "decriminalized" then you're not only no better than the ant-fodder above, but you OBVIOUSLY don't understand that "decriminalization" is little more than saying "OK, we're not going to put you in prison...but you still need to pay this fine...and we can change our minds any time we bloody well decide that it's time to put you in prison." If you want to see it removed from the US and Canada's schoolyards, taken out of the hands of criminals, regulated for commercial distribution, and LEFT ALONE in yourt own backyard if you're growing a few plants for your own personal use...you DO want to see it legal. Simple rule of thought, here: IF IT IS NOT LEGAL, IT IS NOT LEGAL. How dofficult is it for these people who've allegedly been working at this for DECADES to understand this? Either these people are incredibly stupid, or their stated aims are NOT for true, full re-legalization of cannabis/hemp for ALL farmers and ALL medical users and ALL responsible adults. That actually IS my goal. OVERGROW THE WORLD!!! Well….I’ve taken a long, hard look at it from as many perspectives as I’ve been able to talk to, and my summary is this:

There are three main groups, all professing to want to see cannabis re-legalized.

1) The farmers & industrial hemp crowd.
2) The medical users.
3) The casual, occasional or “recreational” users. *

*I lump the religious (sacramental) users and the “civil libertarians” in with group 3, mainly for ease of argument.

Each group attacks the other two groups, as neither of the other two groups care about their perspective.

Each “third” fights the remaining “two thirds” and wonders why they’re not succeeding.

Each “third” KNOWS that their position is the ONLY valid perspective on the issue.

Each “third” actually IS 100% correct in what they say, the vast majority of the time…if only they took a few minutes to realize that they’re still fighting TWO THIRDS, and they’re NOT going to win against those odds. EVER!

I’ve put it in more detail at http://Overgrow.ning.com (feel free to poke about the site!) but the plain and simple truth is that as long as all of the people who PROFESS to wish to see cannabis re-legalized, as long as they honestly believe that “their Cannabis Sativa L.” is different than “the other guy’s Cannabis Sativa L.”, then, to be blunt, it’s no damned wonder that they’re not getting anywhere.

Question: After 80 years of this single-minded, egocentric “I’m right you’re wrong” mentality NOT WORKING AT ALL, why is it that nothing changes?

If it’s true that you’re all right–AND IT IS–then how does fighting against the other 2/3 of the people who want the EXACT SAME THING as you, in any way benefit the greater cause?

But hey…that’s just my “CrAzY” way of looking at things…

If you want to see it taxed, you do NOT want to see it legalized. You want to MAKE MONEY from it, and if you’ll pardon my brevity, you’re a goddamned hypocrite and deserve to be staked over a fire ant mound in the desert and have your balls doused with a gallon of honey. Maybe a few shakes of pure maple syrup for good measure.

If you want to see it “decriminalized” then you’re not only no better than the ant-fodder above, but you OBVIOUSLY don’t understand that “decriminalization” is little more than saying “OK, we’re not going to put you in prison…but you still need to pay this fine…and we can change our minds any time we bloody well decide that it’s time to put you in prison.”

If you want to see it removed from the US and Canada’s schoolyards, taken out of the hands of criminals, regulated for commercial distribution, and LEFT ALONE in yourt own backyard if you’re growing a few plants for your own personal use…you DO want to see it legal.

Simple rule of thought, here: IF IT IS NOT LEGAL, IT IS NOT LEGAL.

How dofficult is it for these people who’ve allegedly been working at this for DECADES to understand this? Either these people are incredibly stupid, or their stated aims are NOT for true, full re-legalization of cannabis/hemp for ALL farmers and ALL medical users and ALL responsible adults.

That actually IS my goal.

OVERGROW THE WORLD!!!

]]> By: cheez http://brokenspectrum.com/2009/11/25/theres-idiots-in-all-circles/comment-page-1/#comment-18198 cheez Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:22:00 +0000 http://brokenspectrum.com/?p=1224#comment-18198 Keith Stroup has done more to advance legalization in the USA than 99.9999999999% of humanity. Including the human waste you're engaging in this conversation with. So who really cares what some hecklers who aren't doing anything but sitting around and throwing mud at _real_ activists think? I know that I sure don't. Keith Stroup has done more to advance legalization in the USA than 99.9999999999% of humanity. Including the human waste you’re engaging in this conversation with. So who really cares what some hecklers who aren’t doing anything but sitting around and throwing mud at _real_ activists think?

I know that I sure don’t.

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